Pyrus

Aug 29 2014, 07:48 PM

superperfectnerd

Aug 29 2014, 09:33 AM

I guess that makes sense, since Buu absorbed Goten, Trunks and Piccolo he'd have a pretty firm grasp of how much stronger Goku and Vegeta were than their sons, but it wouldn't be the first time a villain or even a hero has been EXTREMELY over confident. A lot of them, not only Vegeta, are often blinded by their pride and also thirst to prove their absolute superiority against their opponents best efforts, often to their detriment.

I definitely don't think Goku had time to teach Vegeta the dance, I know he's more experienced but it'd still take practice.

Piccolo and Krillin were able to mimic the dance after seeing Goku demonstrate it once. They may not have gotten it down perfectly, though we'll never know.

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Aug 29 2014, 05:19 PM

Pyrus

Aug 29 2014, 06:00 AM

superperfectnerd

Aug 28 2014, 09:21 PM

Fair enough. We still don't know how much greater potara fusion is though. I don't think it needs to be hugely greater to be significant in my eyes because despite the brats advanced power for their age, I still think Vegeta and Goku are much, much stronger, so Gogeta would take it with ease.

We do have some things to work with.

a) Gotenks-Boo stated a Fusion between Gohan and Goku was "undoubtedly futile," though he would stop it just in case, showing some lack of confidence on his end to imply that the two are close enough in power that a Metamoran Gokhan (since that's the only method Boo had knowledge of at that point) could potentially beat him.

b) Goku joyously suggested fusing with Gohan to beat Gotenks-Boo after Elder Kaioshin stopped him from rushing recklessly into the fight to help Gohan. The only thing the Kaioshin doubted was Boo allowing them the time to do the dance. In the Japanese anime, Goku adds a "definitely" in his statement, showing clear confidence it would work.

c) Gohan-Boo, after sensing Vegeta on earth again and seeing Goku rush off to him, stated a fusion of the two wouldn't be able to beat him. He showed no lack of confidence this time, unlike his previous incarnation, and still only knew of the Metamoran method.

d) Goku stated the "only" way to beat Gohan-Boo was Potara. Keep in mind he had enough time to explain Potara and have an argument with Vegeta before Boo showed up, so the time to do the dance may not have been a huge factor there, though some will still argue it.

e) Inside Boo, after Gohan and the others had been removed (except Good Boo), Goku suggested Fusion would be enough to win.

Considering a character's full power—with Gogeta, that'd likely be Super Saiyan 3—a good placement that factors in Boo's various reactions and Goku's statements would be on par with Gotenks-Boo, however much higher or lower you want to go is your preference, though I tend to keep him at worst on equal footing due to Goku's confidence in a hypothetical Gokhan's power to beat said Boo. I keep him below Gohan-Boo, though, who SSj Vegetto effortlessly trounced. If I put it into a power chain, it'd look something like this:

SSj Vegetto >>> Gohan-Boo > SSj3 Gogeta >||= Gotenks-Boo >>> Evil Boo (Super Boo)

I believe your post except the SSJ3 Gogeta is needed to beat Buutenks. He went SSJ as Vegito, who he wasn't 100% himself that they still win. So why not start at his best? Surely, if you still wasn't confident why hold out your full throttle? I see the statements around Vegito meaning Goku was certain SSJ Gogeta is stronger or on par with Buutenks.

SSJ Vegito >>> Buuhan >> SSJ3 Gogeta > SSJ2 Gogeta > Buutenks >=< SSJ Gogeta

Vegetto stated he didn't think he'd be making as big a fool of Boo as he was, not that he didn't think he'd be able to win at all as just a Super Saiyan.

And you'd have a hard time fitting transformations between those two Boos. They shouldn't be too far apart given Boo's absorption shouldn't be anything more than addition except for in the cases of another Boo or Kaioshin.

Pyrus

Sep 1 2014, 03:01 PM

Forgot about this.

Why'd Vegetto go Super Saiyan 1 instead of something higher?

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Sep 1 2014, 06:13 PM

Pyrus

Sep 1 2014, 03:01 PM

Forgot about this.

Why'd Vegetto go Super Saiyan 1 instead of something higher?

Thats what I want to know. If one of the fusees was doubting the chance that they win (all they know is that they should be stronger than what their capable of on their own) then they should have started at their best. This lead me to believe that Gogeta's SSJ is stronger than Super Buu since Vegito default form was SSJ. SSJ3 is possibly stronger than Buutenks, considering he punched Gohan's Ki blast back at him and through the planet he should be decently above Gohan to where Gogeta's SSJ2 can fit.

xGOKUdaFALLENx

Sep 1 2014, 06:51 PM

Okay okay no need for the tag team. But I think a Stardust Breaker from SSJ Gogeta would kill Buutenks though.